The Mentalist Season 4 Spoilers: Patrick Jane on Trial

Spoiler Alert: Simon Baker Talks About The Mentalist‘s Shocking Season Finale

Simon Baker, The Mentalist

Did CBS cancel The Mentalist and forget to tell us? The smash-hit crime drama just wrapped its third season with Patrick Jane (Simon Baker) shooting and killing serial slayer Red John (Bradley Whitford) in the crowded food court of a shopping mall. But wasn’t Jane’s vengeful pursuit of Red John his raison d’être and the very point of this series? How could the plot wrap up so soon? Then again, did Jane kill the real Red John? Whether he did or he didn’t, he’s in deep doo-doo. “Patrick has just murdered a man in cold blood in front of hundreds of people and next season he will be tried in court,” creator Bruno Heller tells us. “We won’t dodge any issues. Patrick won’t wake up and discover it was all a dream. There will be consequences.” TV Guide Magazine spoke with Baker to get his take on the daring cliffhanger and where his show is headed from here. Will that impish little devil Patrick Jane ever be able to charm us again?

TV Guide Magazine: Those who follow The Mentalist might well be shocked by what Jane has done, but they can’t claim to be surprised, right?
Exactly! My character has always said, very coldly and matter-of-factly, that he would kill Red John if he ever got the chance. That was always his modus. And he’s told that to Agent Lisbon [Robin Tunney] many times. Of course there will be repercussions, but Patrick clearly doesn’t give a damn about that.

TV Guide Magazine: How will this murder change him? Is this closure? Can he get on with his life now, even if that life is spent in prison?
I think he feels great about finally getting revenge. But you never know. This could be the false bottom to the suitcase. Maybe this isn’t the bottom.

TV Guide Magazine: Meaning what? That Jane killed the wrong man? He certainly thought he had the right guy once Red John described how Jane’s wife and daughter smelled at the time of their murders — the exact soaps and shampoos they used. But, theoretically, the real Red John could have passed that information to Bradley Whitford’s character, no?
There’s a lot to play around with. I think it was a brilliant choice to have the murder happen in such a public place. Bang! Bang! Bang! Then Jane’s totally calm. People are running around in a panic. Jane just sits down and has his cup of tea. It’s done. He’s finally done what he needed to do. After this season, you’re going to have the lead character on a network TV series being a cold-blooded, vengeance-killing murderer. That’s heavy.

TV Guide Magazine: He certainly can’t claim to have killed in self defense.
And how do you get around that? There are too many witnesses who saw him go after Red John. I had some issues with the way the killing was originally written, which had Red John getting up and walking away and my character shooting him in the back three times. That wouldn’t have been fulfilling enough for Jane. The whole idea of vengeance is the fulfillment factor! Patrick had already said in a really powerful scene in Season 1, “When I find him I’m going to cut him open and watch him die.” A big part of the show — and the fan speculation — has always been whether or not Patrick really has what it takes to carry out that threat. Does he actually have it in him? So we played around with the scene. My idea was that Red John talks about how the wife and child smelled and it just cripples Jane. You see him go from this guy who’s this close to having his vengeance, having his closure, and he just crumbles into a bit of a paralyzed mess. Then Red John walks away. Jane says, “Please, wait.” Almost like he needs to hear more detail. I’ve always played the murders as still being so raw, so present, despite Jane’s bravado. I like the perverseness of him needing to hear more, as macabre as it is. So Jane goes up to him and looks like he’s shattered, then when he gets this close to Red John, the need for cold revenge kicks in. And he’s thinking, “Not only am I going to kill you, I am going to mind f–k you at the same time.” I wanted the audience to still think in that moment that, despite all Jane’s talk, he just can’t kill Red John. But then he does! It’s very operatic. Bruno loved the idea.

TV Guide Magazine: You two seem to have a remarkably close, almost symbiotic relationship. A lot of exec producers in town would freak if an actor wanted this level of creative involvement.
Believe me, I know! [Laughs] I get such profound satisfaction working with Bruno, because he understands me and I understand him. It’s really pure luck we found each other. It’s very rare. I can be a real pain in the ass with the wrong types of people. The last thing I want to do is come to work each day and not be challenged. What’s the fun in taking it easy? Let’s push it! I’m very happy that Bruno and I have been able to juggle the procedural and the serialized aspects of the show without swinging too much either way. Bruno appreciates the genesis of the Patrick Jane character, what drives him, and that he comes from a very tragic place. And you can’t fluff it off. You have to honor that. That hasn’t been easy because sometimes there’s been a lot of pressure from CBS to avoid the dark stuff, because the lighter stuff is so much easier to swallow. But without the dark, the light isn’t as enjoyable. The light can’t exist without the dark.

TV Guide Magazine: William Blake!
Exactly! One hundred percent.

TV Guide Magazine: Word is, CBS has been a bit uneasy with this finale.
There have been so many little arm wrestles to get this stuff through, but in the end I think we have the confidence and the support of the studio and the network. With Bruno and me there has been a lot of, “We can do this! We can get away with this!” Because this isn’t cable where you can do what you please. In network TV, you have to present the box before you can step outside it. CBS has always wanted the fun procedural stuff, and that remains a big element of The Mentalist. But this show has a lot of different personalities. I think there’s a sense with the network that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And I understand that because you can make some really bad mistakes that way. But we have to keep this show moving. I don’t ever want to mess up the experience for the audience. I want them to enjoy the show as much as they do, from the first episode to the very last. I don’t want to screw up that relationship at all. But at the same time, living and breathing this show every day, I have to challenge Bruno and he has to challenge me. In a way it’s so much easier to be subversive in cable: “Oh, look at us! We’re wacky! We’re daring! We say ‘f—k; a lot!” When you’re on a network, you have to slide the subversive in the back door. And you don’t have to be depressing in order to have gravity. A few episodes back we had Jane help the coroner kill himself. The guy had a terminal disease and the viewers were really touched and involved in that story. But it was all so subtle, I’m not sure they really realized what Patrick had done. And now we’ve moved on to total cold-blood vengeance. [Laughs] I know how this is going to play out. Trust me, this is a great setup for next season!

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  1. elena

     /  June 9, 2011

    I think that was not the real red john. I think there is a possibility of red john being Kristina Frye.

  2. GUEST

     /  June 10, 2011

    Or someone else from the CBI. I think Laroche is VERY promising. But we’ll have to wait and see. 😛


     /  June 10, 2011


  4. Guest

     /  June 10, 2011

    I thought Kristina Frye too a while ago, but then i remembered the blind woman at the end of season 1 who had a sexual relationship with Red John, so she obviously knows he was a man.
    And I don’t think Red John could be LaRoche because he’s too big – I don’t mean that offensively, but we have sort of seen Red John when he had Jane tied up, and even though he was wearing a cloak and mask he just didn’t look as wide as LaRoche is. Plus, you would have thought that Jane would recognise his voice. But I agree that there is something about LaRoche, and I can’t wait to find out whatever his secret is!
    Though I do agree that it would be a VERY good twist if the man he killed wasn’t really Red John…. 😀

  5. Xenia

     /  June 10, 2011

    My guess is that Red John has something to do with that church Visualize. The reason is that too many people are involved in Red John’s activity. It’s next to impossible for one person to control so many people on different levels of power. Maybe a few killers of that organisation act under the name Red John? Or Red John belongs to the organisation that assists individuals like him? Also most of the people who associated with Red John were heavily brain-washed, it also makes it look like some kind of religious activity going on…
    My best guess is that the real hunt is not over whether the REAL Red John was killed or not!

  6. Greg

     /  June 10, 2011

    I can’t wait to see where they go in season 4.

  7. Guest

     /  June 11, 2011

    Well one things for sure, if that wasn’t Red John that Jane killed, then the guy is in big trouble… because killing the guy who murdered your wife and daughter is understandable from the jury’s point of view, but a random wacko who turns out to be an impostor? would be kinda bad…

  8. The original boss (hightower took over from) seems like a possible candidate for some bad stuff to me.

  9. mike knight

     /  June 11, 2011

    just watched season 3 finale, wow. however, i don’t think it was the true red john, secrets can be shared. red john seems to have been always one step ahead, so why not now? season 4 will be very interesting.

  10. Kermonk

     /  June 11, 2011

    So what DID Jane really do to the coroner?

  11. Agavi

     /  June 12, 2011

    I hope they don’t do the obvious and make it so that wasn’t the real Red John.. After 3 seasons I was so satisfied when Jane finally got his revenge, I’d be pissed off if they took that away.

  12. Becky

     /  June 13, 2011

    well i reckon that the guy killed wont be ”red john” himself, because i think red john is a group of people, maybe a couple of people, rather than just one man. i hope they tie things up in the next series because there are so many unanswered questions: how does the blind woman tie in, what did bosco whisper to jane, whats inside la rouche’s tupperware box, whats happening with kristina and where does she fit into all this, was that actually red john himself, is the entire red john saga over, what will happen to jane now, AND WILL THEY FINALLY GET HIM AND LISBON TOGETHER RATHER THAN DOING WHAT CSI DID WITH GRISSOM N SARAH N LEAVING IT ALMOST SEVEN SERIES? (Although i wouldn’t mind if that happened, cause it would mean they made 7 series of the mentalist) 😉


  13. I can’t wait see the mentalist of season4. Nobody know when I could see?
    I mean do you know at all when that release to korea?
    I’m different to you. I’m in korea. By the way i’m so expectaion.

  14. Guest81

     /  June 13, 2011

    I think the 4th season will focus more on the fact that Patrick killed a man. And of course it’ll also focus how his friends will handle that. I’m only guessing as everyone, but I think we won’t find out at least not in the first half of the 4th season wether Red John was the one who has been killed by Patrick or not. That way it’ would be more interesting to watch 🙂
    But in my opinion Patrick has shown high skills in recognizing the smallest reactions, gestures of the people he talks face to face, so I’m pretty sure he killed the right one.
    Can’t wait to see what’ll happen next 🙂

  15. Catalin

     /  June 14, 2011

    Red John is his father because in last episode from season 2 red john say “tiger tiger ….”

  16. Hey Catalin, what do you mean? What connection between RJ and his father?
    ‘his father’ is a man who jane’s father? or RJ’s father?

    Does anybody know when a season 4 of The mentalist is released in korea?
    I can’t wait. Maybe I can see so late because i’m in korea? so sad.
    The mentalist and Prison break is my favorite drama. so I hope soon could see.

  17. Kelly Tomlinson

     /  June 17, 2011

    I loved the season finale, I thought it was very satisfying to see Jane finally kill the man who killed his wife and child but I don’t fully beleive that the man Jane killed was Red John. I think that the blind woman is a good possibility as a partner for Red John and so is the group of people theory. But my own opinion is that it is just one man with many connections, I also really want to know why LaRoache was so shifty before he got in that car and shot the indian man in the first part of the finale – he has to be involved some how

  18. Can I make a really tight assumption? We all talk about how Jane killed ‘Red John’, but what if ‘Red’ shot himself? He stated to Patrick “I’m thinking of retiring, and starting a new life. A fresh start” or something along these lines, I welcome adjustments from yourselves if necessary. However, if he commited suicide, it would be fully understandable as he clearly had nothing to live for. You also feel the victim may not have been Red John, but somebody else? This could be true. He could have put the man face-to-face with Patrick, giving the clear description of Jane’s wife and daughter before they were killed in order to have Jane ‘kill’ him. This would allow Red John to dissapear forever. Another theory I have is that this character killed himself, and before he fell to the floor, Jane may have ‘switcherooed’ the weapon from him, put it in his pocket (notice there nay not be a hole in Jane’s pocket!! If so, it’s a heck of a small one for a bullet :L) and took credit for the man’s death – again, possibly covering Red John’s tracks.

    Despite all of this contreversy, Jane could have completed his task of killing Red John right before our very eyes. In order to confirm our assumptions, well just have to wait until Autumn for season 4!! 😀

  19. ken

     /  June 18, 2011

    My guess….That was most definitely Red John, there’s no story in twisiting what fans are already speculating it’s just boring. But i have a problem with La Roche there’s something dramatically inconclusive about his character. Why still ask about the hotel room??????? Why is he so subtle in his acting, almost jane like, purposefully serial-killer scary. I predict Jane’s character doing a complete 360 on us, i predict him becoming red john like, not a cold blooded killer or anything but really derranged and unstable.

  20. Deana

     /  June 18, 2011

    To be honest i have only just started watching this show but I am very glad that Jane ‘may’ have got Red Jhon! I am already getting the feel for this show and I now understand why so many people enjoy it! I too hope that jane does not go to jail… even though he killed a man in pure vengence he’s the main character and I don’t think that would be a good story line… I think maybe they will do something about prison but then the team may need him for something and he gets let out??? IDK anyway I’m glad there is going to be a 4th season I’m really getting into this show! And also Jane and Lisbon HAVE to get together or at least kiss! Jibson all the way! 😀

  21. moustafa

     /  June 19, 2011

    I think there is a big secret when LaRouche and I think that Jane did not kill Reid, John true because the voice of a man similar to the voice of the man who kidnapped Jane I do not think that Reid John would risk his own only to kidnap Jane and says to him (Tiger Tiger), and Reid, John sent this man to die and illusion Jane that he had carried out his revenge because John Reid also said he wanted to retire him to the man who kidnapped Jane in the second season was not the basis of John Reid, but his server m

  22. Vlad

     /  June 21, 2011

    @moustafa: Translate, please?

    Anyhow, as someone stated up there, there’s a possibility that Jane’s father might be Red John aswell? Though I think he’s too old for that… Hmm. Even if this was the real RJ, there’s still more to be shown in season 4 to continue the plot, like, LaRoche’s secret, Jane’s team’s reactions about what he has done, more things to be dealt with Kristina Frye, Visualize, oh and forgot about Jane being in court and judged… etc. 🙂

    I just can’t wait for S04! 🙂

  23. Kerry

     /  June 21, 2011

    1.) I think it s better if that was, in fact, the real red john. It is much more interesting if Jane does get his revenge and has to deal with the fact that revenge isn’t necessarily good:
    “Of the seven deadly sins, anger is possibly the most fun. To lick your wounds, to smack your lips over grievances long past, to roll over your tongue the prospect of bitter confrontations still to come, to savor to the last toothsome morsel both the pain you are given and the pain you are giving back- in many ways it is a feast fit for a king. The chief drawback is that what you are wolfing down is yourself. The skeleton at the feast is you.”
    -Frederick Buechner, America Writer and Theologian

    Having Jane arrive at the realization embodied in the above quote could be a very moving storyline? He is only really invincible in this act of revenge if he doesn’t care about anything. He can only give up on caring about his own fate if he doesn’t care about the people who care most about him. I believe he has come to care about a great many people since the death of his wife and child.

    2.) If RJ is dead, it certainly does not mean that the RJ story line is over. Everything RJ has done, to Jane as well as to other people, will leave a massive puzzle and many loose ends: how was he able to manipulate people so efficiently, especially Kristina Frye? What, exactly, are the considerable resources that RJ spoke of? How many followers are there out there? Surely they will continue their service to Red John. What will this mean? Perhaps several followers will commit copycat murders to lead Jane to believe that RJ is still alive (The mindf–k continues after death)? Perhaps, like Obi-Wan, RJ has become more powerful than could be imagined, now that Jane has struck him down. His syndicate can surely operate without a living RJ.

    3.) Jane’s trial will be interesting: Clearly the body will have a gun. Or will it? If the gun is gone, who removed it? What evidence, if any, will link the dead person with RJ? Perhaps he is a well known pillar of his community? Perhaps Jane will be demonized for taking away this great philanthropist? Maybe the prosecutor, or Jane’s own lawyer (or both?) are part of RJ’s network? Perhaps RJ had a boss? How will Gale Bertram respond to knowing that he was with Jane mere minutes before he committed murder?

    4.) Random loose ends: 1.) Bertram “just randomly” quoting the same William Blake poem that RJ quoted to Jane, this time just for the show’s audience. A narrative red herring? Or will this come back into play? 2.) Also, LaRoche’s secret, and his complicitness in setting up the RJ sting operation will be an interesting storyline. 3.) How will agent Van Pelt deal with having almost been married to an RJ mole? I hope they really deal with this.

    5.) BTW, we don’t know that RJ had only one mole on the list. He was at the mall to track Jane, which leads me to believe that Bertram may also be a mole. Perhaps the assassin’s plan was intentionally misleading to set up the bizzarre situation at the end. (although Jane usually has a very good read on people when he asks a point blank question).

    At any rate, I am VERY excited about the coming season. I cannot wait.

  24. Chanellie

     /  June 23, 2011

    Ah!!! The coolest series ever!! I love everything about it and it isn’t predictable…i was so afraid the Lisbon had something to do with red john!! Although i didn’t like the season3 finale…something seems wrong not just with the vengeance but with the red john also. I also agree with all that Kerry has said. I don’t ever write on any walls but this is MENTALIST!!

  25. brendan

     /  June 24, 2011

    The mentalist is my favorite tv series other than big bang theory (cbs is awesome), and i can’t wait until the next season lol. Some of my predictions and hopes is that go deeper into the lives of the characters,

    Jane was living in a motel i think? just kinda curious where exactly he is going to end up now after the court case is settled..

    i dont think jane and lisbon will ever become romantically involved as some people want them to.. there is already rigsbe and van pelt for that and that has already escalated many times before. probably will be more sparking interest between the two in the future.. rigsbe is well.. kinda desperate it seems and van pelt is ‘heartbroken’ over recent events so i don’t see why not :p

    i kinda want to know more about cho as the series hasnt really dug deep into him. all i know is that he used to be in a gang and turned his life around and joined the cbi. in that same episode, it involved him in a serious relationship with his girlfriend who ended up in the hospital but we havn’t heard anything about that since. it would be cool if the cbs team went into his personal life somewhere later in the 4season

    also at the end of season 4 it would be cool to see visualize or w/e get shut down or ‘exposed’ to the rest of the world.. if not season 4 then sometime during the series anyways, i would enjoy that probably almost as much as when jane shot red john (which was an amazing scene)…. on that note i hope it was the real red john because it ended in such a fantastic way, and i think it would be cheesy to ‘bring back’ rj

    also i wonder how they will make jane continue doing detective work as his orginal motive was to kill rj

    sorry if this sounded a.d.d i was just typing out my thoughts lol

  26. i highly doubt the guy who says he is red john shot himself beacuase jane called him and then shot him and janes pocket was smocking ……….i deffinatly think that he killed him ……..but im not sure if that was red john but he had the same voice as the guy who captured him and resyted the poem tiger tiger sooooooo we just hav to wayt 4 season 4 i guess!!!

  27. finch

     /  June 24, 2011

    hi think that kristina fry has defo got a connection to red john . it is obvious that she faked being traumatised by her so called abduction . van pelt also is a bit dodgy. she is always in the back ground when red john contacts patrick .

  28. Xenia

     /  June 24, 2011

    Guess nobody else thinks that Visualize is dodgy…. (((
    But if you think about it, the church leader knew that RJ was planning on killing Christina. He also dropped a very mysterious phrase hinting that he knew much more than he let on…
    Also there was that guy (a church member) who shot the murderer of his fiancee and he was very strange talking about the killing etc. Besides as far as I remember (well, there is a lot of room for improvement in that department) it looked as if he had been sent to kill the murderer. All in all it’s very suspicious to me ….

  29. RJ PJ DJ

     /  June 25, 2011

    Great series,I hope 4th is as good as the previous ones.The father,as some of you have said,would be an interesting possibility…no doubt that “RJ”(Red John or …RJane) has a strong link with “PJ” (even the names are similar),because was said (think it was 2th season,don’t remember) that RJ liked a part of PJ,the best part…and Blake’s stuff about light and dark…maybe RJ is PJ,maybe he’s completely nuts;even the mysterious Lisbon is a possibility….and of course the guy with the beard at CBI is the one who killed the crazy secretary who shooted Bosco,or at least it looks phisically similar….I’m eager to watch 4th season,hope is great.

  30. Kevin

     /  June 26, 2011

    theres just too many possibilities to this plot. i honestly hope red john got killed. its really up to bruno in season four though. of course it would be fun if we all knew that rj isnt just one man alone but definitely a whole group of people. with all his friends in cbi, and other states, they’re all gonna be shocked rj that. so definitely season four onwards will show how rj manipulated the authorities high up and what happens to jane. so many questions left unanswered for me as well. what to say, wait for season four. cheers to bruno, great show!

  31. Josh

     /  June 29, 2011

    I’ve just seen the last episode of the season and it’s awesome! I’ve been waiting ages for the finale but I don’t think it’s the legit Red John. But then it might be…?!?! It’s really confusing but it should make for a pretty radical season 4!

  32. sarit

     /  June 30, 2011

    when rj got jane and started to say “tiger tiger…” it’s the same voice when he said to threza over the phone “oh well, you win some you lose some”. and he said he thought he out smart jane but no.

  33. abhishek

     /  July 1, 2011

    what if patrick himself is red john???????????if he is not then i think he may commit suicide bcoz the only reason he was alive all these days was to kill red that he has killed him he has no reason to be alive……

  34. what if patrick himself is red john???????????if he is not then i think he may commit suicide bcoz the only reason he was alive all these days was to kill red that he has killed him he has no reason to be alive……get mentalist season 4 as soon as possible….cant wait addicted to it..

  35. jimmy kafka

     /  July 2, 2011

    i remembered something bret stiles once said to jane(paraphrasing):”you and red john are not even on my level” meaning that there might be someone whos higher up than red john. the way bret got the info on red john also proofs that bret might actually be on the same level as those higher ups (possibly some kind of organisation that keeps the balance between light / dark).

    also lookin at the build of the red john who came to the rescue of jane, you can tell that red john is someone with a small physique. so that kind of eliminates anyone with a beefy, muscular or tall physique.

  36. Ela

     /  July 4, 2011

    i am eagerly waiting to what is in the Tupperware box of L.R., its kind of interesting. And the man killed by P.J, may be an imposer. Only B.H knows. pls stage the season quickly.

  37. Janey

     /  July 4, 2011

    You know the feeling you get when a sudden blast of air hits your face? that’s how it felt while watching the season 3 finale. I was like… Whoa… And then I was like… What the hell?! then I went really really quiet. One helluva episode.
    Oh and I remember there was this episode in season 1. Jane helps a supposed murder convit, a guy who said He was “a friend of a friend of Red john”, walk out of prison, but ends up getting killed by RJ at a motel in Mexico(I think). He tried writing something on the wall before finally succumbing to death.. “He is M-..”
    At first I thought Maybe Madeline Hightower. 😛
    Now I think, maybe he tried to say, “He is Many”
    So Long story short, Maybe Red john is the name of an organization that goes killing people. 😀

  38. Donavan Warchapter

     /  July 6, 2011

    J.J. LaRoche.
    La meaning “the”
    Roche Meaning “Red”
    And “J” for John
    The second “J”….I guess you will just have to wait and see. could be something to do with “Junior” as there are always two.

  39. hola xicos y xicas k ven el mentalsita yo se todo lo ke pasaara soy la superfan numero 1 k hay los he estado persiguiendo hay un personaje nuevo…. aparecerá nada mas en 6 episodios bueno y jane y lisbon acabaran haciendo el amor en la cama primero empezara dándose besos luego haciendo el amor y banpeel grease y risbgy quedaran juntos cho no quedara con nadie bueno es suficiente información no quiero desvelas mas información para que la veáis todos kiero el mentalista me vuelvo crazy localoca loca te kiero lisbon

  40. Kari Rodan

     /  July 7, 2011

    Red John should be the man Jane finally kills, exactly as they’ve shown in the series like Bruno Heller mentioned and Jane should go on a lengthy trial and fight his own case and end up winning. He’s brilliant, if anyone can do it, he can! He’s finally got what he was looking for, now he’s got a whole lot going for him. Fantastic show!!!

  41. Sam

     /  July 8, 2011

    I don’t think that the man Jane killed was Red John. That would just be too easy! When Jane goes on trial he definatly needs to plead in self defense because this so called Red John was the one who pulled a gun on Patrick first! I mean Patrick can’t go to prison! that would ruin the show and besides he has already been in jail once before and we all know how that turned out! I just love this show! I was reading some of the other comments and I agree It would be so awsome if Christina Fry!


     /  July 8, 2011


  43. emilson

     /  July 8, 2011

    I believe that is true redjoh own patrick janes.

  44. Nori

     /  July 9, 2011

    I think the real Red John is the chief. I cannot recall his name, but he is the one who sat at the mall with Patrick, before he realized the thing about the rope. _Remember he quoted William Blake, that is more than suspicious. And the writers made Lisbon forget about the time, the chief mentioned his admiration for William Blake. He could easly pull the strings, i mean come on! He is controlling a whole department. Jane did not shoot the real red john. And i think if he goes to prison he will soon realize, that RJ has ppl in behind bars to. If he doesnt go to jail, he will most likely be forced to see a shrink, he will be suspended, and he will be fired from CBI. And then of course in mid-season, Red John would attack again, unless the CBI chief is really going to retire. I mean he could easly get away with everything, now that everybody knows that “RJ’ is dead. So there is no reason for him to keep going, really.

  45. Jenna

     /  July 12, 2011

    The thing is, he killed red john (maybe) but there are still so many red john mysteries yet to be solved, like the connection to ‘visualize’ and christina frye. so the show wont die just because they killed off ‘red john’. and i also dont think it changed jane’s character all that much. i wasnt surprised he did it. it wasnt actually the first time he killed someone (first season finale anyone??)

  46. I don’t think Patrick should go to jail . It was purly self-defence. i don’t think it was Red John for sure, may be a close friend or something, maybe there is more then one Red John? Who no’s i can only hope that there is a season 4. Need to know what happens to Vampelt, and Hightower. Ect. Can hardly wait!!

  47. Italy

     /  July 15, 2011

    When Jane finally killed Red John, I was extremely satisfied. I would be very pissed off if you guys made it so that that person wasn’t actually Red John.

    The problem is that as Baker said, you can’t have light without darkness, and the Mentalist isn’t the Mentalist with the Red John touch. You guys will really have to come up with something brilliant, good luck!

    Oh, and fuck CBS, the show is yours, not theirs. Put what you want in it.

  48. Heart of Diamond

     /  July 15, 2011

    Donavan Warchapter made a interesting point. J.J. LaRoche. John the Red. That would make sense. Incredibly interesting find.

    I have a few points i would like to discuss.
    1) I could be possible that Red John had 2 spys in the CBI. One, that would try and get close to the unit and anouther that would get close to Hightower. Cover all bases.
    2) Red John knew that Jane wanted to kill him. Why suddenly bring himself in the open now? There had to be a reason. For 10 years or so Red John has been playing games with Jane and now suddenly he emerges?
    3) Visualize is creepy. They stand for everything the Jane tries not to be. Personally, I think that means something.
    4) Did anyone not notice the man sitting down in the red shirt between the so called Red John and Jane? Not only that but when Jane stands up, so does the man in the red shirt. Even though I still believe that Jane killed Red John, that did seem slightly suspicious.

    One thing i also noticed. When Red John was talking to Jane about his wife and child, notice the look on Janes face. It kindof reminds me of his signiture… without the smile. Janes eyes were frowned downward.

    I can’t wait for season 4. Though i do believe that Jane will get out of jail. There would be a load of family members of Red John’s victims that would testify for Jane. He would have plenty of people on his side. Lisbon of course, will try and get him out. Jane and Lisbon do have a connection and anyone can see they are really, really good friends. I’m think they will eventually get together. 🙂

  49. Heart of Diamond

     /  July 15, 2011

    One more point…
    If Red John is still alive and kicking, won’t he want to continue his game? If so, then there is a chance the Red John will bail Jane out to keep up his sick game.
    Just a thought

  50. logan

     /  July 16, 2011

    Imo, Red John is both an alias and an organization (like Visualize) with people ascending to the rank of RJ. Jane killed the RJ who killed his family, but not THE Red John who started this organization. I’d guess the director who quotes Blake is another RJ, but Jane’s father is the founding RJ. Probably all wrong, but that’s how I’d write it.

  51. kirsty

     /  July 17, 2011

    i believe that red john is dead… but as it was put in the last episode, red john has people in many places…. there will be someone to continue his work. but who knows, thats what makes the show intersesting right??

  52. I think it would be lame for the serie to show that this was the fake RJ and i dont think that Bruno is such a person to put something like that in the story. Personally i think it is the real RJ (possible the one that killd PJ’s family) but that RJ is a big organisation with a lot of connection. And that is the main reason why it has followers and f*cked up, brain washed people all over the place. In governments but also in local places, like that guy Todd, that died after he was set on fire in the CBI. Along with Visualize etc.
    RJ will continue, and might even get PJ out of jail or trials intentionally to continue the game. Pretending and making PJ believe that the person he killed wasnt the real RJ, etc. But the whole plot of RJ could go so many ways so its a waste for me to typ them all out here. One thing i will say is that i read all the comments above, and saw that some people said something about RJ could be the father of PJ, because he said something about ‘Tiger Tiger’ ? orso?.. personally i find the idea that RJ could be PJ father RIDICULOUS.
    Unless Bruno.H. can make up some kind of a storyline that would fit for PJ’s father to be RJ… then perhaps oke, if not, no.. RJ can NOT be PJ father.. that would be really lame. The final scene where PJ kills RJ i was really good cause you had the feeling as a viewer that he was kinda crushed when RJ began talking about the smells of his wife and child. And when he said ‘ wait please’ it sounded and felt so submissive and out of nowhere you hear 3 loud shots. That moment right there had me speechless. But the scene before this, when RJ and PJ talked. And RJ was blerring about having enough of this and wanna get out, start new live, wanting to apologize face2face for any pain he caused, blablabla. I thought this was LAME, and because of this scene.. i doubt that it is the real RJ, but then again… i think its lame for saying its the fake one, cause the feeling of fulfillment feels so right…. if you guys know what i mean. Nevertheless a good final episode of a season and great set up for the next!
    Other thoughts i have about the show are:

    A. C.fry was indeed found and was in a catatonic state. I read above that she could be RJ, but i seriously doubt it. Cause there was a episode with the blind lady saying HE. Which means.. its a guy, but then again.. this kinda F*cks up the storyline i thought of RJ being a organisation, however people could refer to RJ as a person (HE) because the organisation wants everyone to believe that RJ is a person. The thing is.. the story with C.fry was never finished in my opinion, cause we (viewers) never got to know what happend to her. Personally i think.. 1) she is a lunatic, being al f*cked up by RJ and got brainwashed along with her thought that she can talk with the dead. OR 2) she was faking it and plays a big role in the RJ storyline

    B. I really wonder how this RJ (who got shot) knew about the meeting in the mall. The thing is, i believe that the current chief of season 3 is something to do with RJ. Cause after PJ set up the meeting with him, we see him making a call. This could be a deliberate thing from Bruno to put the viewers on the wrong clue. But he could have called that possible fake RJ, so therefor he was there. This also means that I believe that RJ has 2 moles in the CBI. I also read above that the chief said some stuff from BLAKE’s philosophy etc. I didnt notice this, but it could be a clue

    C. Whats in the little box of LaRoche and someone made a statement about his name being J.J.LaRoche = John the Red. This is a very keen and interesting clue. Does this mean that he is RJ or perhaps that extra J means Junior RJ?

    D. What is up with that Visulize storyline in combination with RJ. The TOPman of Visualize (i forget his name) what is his deal in all this.

    Furthermore i am ofc very excited about S4, cause what will happen now. Unfortunately i think the first half of the season will focus on PJ getting trials, and his team backing him up, or not, LIsbon in crossfire.. between feelingsduty, the sudden situation with Van Pelt, etc.

    I also read people saying that lissbon and van pelt wasnt really legit in the serie. Cause a lot of times when patrick is on the phone talking with RJ, van pelt in the background. And that lisbon never really looked legit. Im like WHAT? what are u talking about? I think over the last 3 seasons.. the CBI team of lisbon, prooved to be trustworthy, cause if they werent the whole plan PJ had.. would of failed majorly. If Van pelt and lisbon were moles or working for RJ, they could of made up a set up with Craig from the FBI to kill Hightower. Anyway enough bullshit from my part 🙂 peace!

  53. Shell

     /  July 18, 2011

    I absolutly love the mentalist and when i saw strawberries & Cream pt2 i was soo shocked to see patrick shoot the ‘supposed’ Red john. I think that maybe that was the real red john and because now that patrick thinks that he has killed ‘Red John’ he might spend a little time in prision while the rest of the team try and get him out and i’m sure they will and Jane might get start a relationship with Lisbon which will be sweet. Anyway I have been reading all these other comments and something new came out of those words is that red john could possibly be a organisation???? huh??? Anyway can’t wait till season 4 hopefully comes out. YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

  54. etamat

     /  July 18, 2011

    wow this show can make you SICK.

    THANK YOU john.


     /  July 18, 2011

    i dont think that he was red john i think some one payed that guy to come there and tell him what he said.the only important part was when he said how john’s wife and daughter smelled that’s what made john tick and belive him.i don;t think that’s season four there probably going to keep on with the finding of red jonh.

  56. Blu

     /  July 19, 2011

    what i think,
    i think that when Van pelt’s fionce’s phone was found and Teresa called ‘Red John’ i think that it was a diversion, the guy that Jane was talking to was also part of it, a double take, 2 of the suspects where in it, thats why the assassin goes in the room above, so that ‘Red John’ can frame the dude that Jane is talking to at the mall. The assassin, and her rope, for the room below, which was the fioncee. Confused? so was i.
    then i think is that the fioncee dude is there to get with Van Pelt and get the case. the other dude is to avoid the media attention. Everything slowly slots together and in the end, ‘Red john’ is one of the CBI himself????

  57. audebo@Ph

     /  July 20, 2011

    The show is really brilliant. It made us think, and re-think. “Kudos” to the writers of THE MENTALIST. And to the cast, of course! 😀

  58. var11ee

     /  July 20, 2011

    do you know when does 4 season come out ? 😀 ty.

  59. gogo

     /  July 22, 2011

    It was Red John.
    Patrick has some jail time coming up which should make for some interesting storylines for a while. Alternatively he is found guilty but due to temporary insanity gets to spend some time in psycho institution. The gun is not his (his prediliction for pickpocketing comes to the fore) so murder is not
    Simon Baker is perfectly cast for the Jane character. It must be something about aussie actors.

  60. Brahim

     /  July 22, 2011

    Please gays tell me what is the time for start the mentaliste 4 ???

  61. aliburaksalman

     /  July 24, 2011

    22 Sep 2011

  62. cp4ab0lishm3nt

     /  July 24, 2011

    Thats the “Red John” alright but “Red John” is an evil ideology. There are many Red Johns…but I think the leader of Red John (ideology) still lurks in the CBI leadership… Red John ideology has no head and tail, its an anarchic belief…

  63. Brahim

     /  July 26, 2011

    thanks men ….

  64. a-g-p

     /  July 26, 2011

    After watching the finale for the 2nd time, I really think the show freed itself. To get into further character development, they needed to get rid of Red John and I think they solved it in a good way. I still hope to get some final conclusions in the first episodes of season 4! I’m with you, Mentalist crew, don’t doubt that decision, it’s a good one!

  65. frida

     /  July 26, 2011

    That red hair of amazing Van Pelt is a little suspicious…

  66. kailey

     /  July 26, 2011

    I hope that was the real Red John, in the sense where it’s like “Give jane some goddamn peace of mind”

  67. I hope it was the real red john that Patrick killed because he does deserve peace of mind, and I think that Patrick wouldn’t have killed who he thought was red john unless he was sure.

  68. okay wow i guess the nicest thing in waiting the fourth season is that we all fly with our imagination and i really do 🙂
    i have several suggestions :
    1- red john already knows what Patrick thinks in and how he really thinks so he expected his behaviors and what would u expect from an angry man whose wife and child were killed ah ?
    that’s right he may or he will kill you one day even if he has problems with guns like Patrick anyway red john expected that and i would tell he wore a protective suit and put some fake blood bags inside ps : as Patrick said at the last episode that red john has men all over the state so maybe he has paramedics and police men friends would fake his death so Patrick would have some rest of his thoughts for awhile then he will be there again in the fourth season ps : come on guys how we can say it wasn’t red john although when Patrick was tied and met red john it was actually the same voice of the man .
    2- if i accepted the idea of the dead red john (which is too hard to believe ) may this case will be raised to public opinion and Patrick will be free but please : where is the fun in that as as we all know this series is based on two characters : Patrick Jane and red john so whenever one of them both is gone the show is over

    3- i don’t really wanna try to think in that one : is that this man Patrick killed had a headset in his ears so he can communicate with john and whenever and whatever Jane asks red john hears and tell the man what to do and its gonna be really hard if this man wasn’t john as Jane really has enough guilt to feel for his own family . its not Appropriate to feel guilt for an innocent dead man too so i really don’t wanna this man to be not john

    and to be frank if i was writing this series one of the ideas that would be there if red john is dead
    i wanna during Patrick is in jail to show us his past how he was dealing with his family and how he got nervous break down when they are gone and then after that this case is raised to public opinion and jane goes free

  69. Red John as Patrick Jane’s father? No. We can’t have a Luke Skywalker / Darth Vader “thing.” It would be a terrible cliche’

  70. callum conboy

     /  July 30, 2011

    no that cant happen what kind of man kills his grandaughter

  71. no chance what kind of a man kills his grandaughter

  72. i am against the idea that Jane s father was red john its impossible cause if we believed that he did it and killed Jane s family because he hates his son it wasn’t just his son anyway as he did many crimes

  73. Pip

     /  August 4, 2011

    I agree that Van Pelt is a suspect. She joined the CBI around the time Jane did. She went to Craig as he was dying while Lisbon was injured – to swap a phone perhaps? Her ‘belief’ in psychics is also interesting. A connection between tiger and pelt perhaps (although I agree that this is stretching things). I also think that Jane probably killed the man who killed his family but not the Mastermind behind the plotting. The ultimate mind game would be for the Mastermind to make Jane fall in love with them ?? Ahhh.. love a conspiracy theory! I’ve enjoyed reading all your thoughts. Can’t wait for season 4! 🙂

  74. JohnPod

     /  August 5, 2011

    I think Jane realizes in that last moment that this guy is not Red John and Jane has to kill him in order for Red John to think Jane thinks he is dead. This guy is not Red John. Red hair, red glasses. Great stuff.
    Red John realizes Jane is getting too close and wants to retire as he stated before he gets caught, but as a serial killer he will not be able to quell his thirst for blood and will come back. Great show, extremely moving season finale. Impressive

  75. Haitham

     /  August 5, 2011

    I guess Red John isn’t one person , he’s group of persons , some of them are powerful ,as Jane said before ?!!
    Sam Bosco was the second lead agent on the CBI’s Red John case ,
    Bosco and his team were killed by Rebecca (Basco’s secretary), who turned out to be an accomplice of Red John’s. She, in turn, was killed by Red John after her capture by the police.
    Actually she was poisoned by an officer inside CBI ?!!
    Finally I think/maybe Jane’s father is involved somehow with Red John..
    let’s wait for season 4 and see!!

  76. Haitham

     /  August 5, 2011

    I’ve forgot something ?!!!
    Red John killed Sam Bosco and his team , so Jane could have the case back as Rebecca said , he missed Patrick Jane ?!!
    The smart question is ?!!
    Why Red John would miss Patrick Jane ?!!
    What’s the connection between him and between Jane?!!
    Maybe something related to his father ?!! it’s not necessary to be his father ?!!
    Red John wants Jane to get close to him for a reason ?!!
    He wouldn’t make such a risk unless he was sure that he had a back up plan ?!!
    He was sure that he’s a step or 2 steps behind Jane , because he knows all Jane moves..
    so Red John case isn’t over ,it’s already started ?!!
    Anyway I guess we’ll know the answer in season 4 ?!!!

  77. Pippa

     /  August 6, 2011

    I believe that the man Jane killed was, or had something to do with Red John. Otherwise it would just be to obvious. I think LaRoche has nothing to do with Red John, I’m so sure he is hiding something huge, but it would just be to obvious for him to be or have anything to do with Red John. I would love to know what happened to Kristina Frye. In the next season obviously Jane will go to prison but not for to long. I hope Lisbon will come through and help him, she knew this day would come anyway. I hope they don’t continue the CBI without Jane because that would be a huge let down for me and all the other thousands watching this program. Jane is what made the CBI interesting and funny and clever. Without him I don’t think the program will work. I’m still so confused about this whole Red John confusion. I think that this isn’t the end of Red John. It’s just the beginning.

  78. Renea

     /  August 7, 2011

    Remember the father of a victim that gave Jane a gun as a present? That is the gun he used. The necklace that the FBI guy gave Van Pelt had a bug in it and that is how the FBI guy knew the plan (that he told Red John).

  79. Casey

     /  August 8, 2011

    I think that was the real red john, but Red John was not only doing what he wanted for himself, I think that there is someone else … like Kristina Fry .. who is in charge of Red John. I think that Red John is like a pawn in the story and that there is someone out there who is calling all the shots.

  80. Mike_63

     /  August 8, 2011

    I don’t think Jane even shot him. I think he thought about it and heard the gun shots and he thought he did shoot him. However, they find out that someone else shot “Red John” and in fact it wasn’t Jane. That seems the best option, IMO

  81. kechara

     /  August 10, 2011

    I kind of figured Craig was the mole. He kind of had to be. There’s no way they’d actually break Van Pelt and Rigsby’s little relationship thing they’ve got going on. I also just wanted the guy dead. I hate the guys Van Pelt’s been dating, Rigsby included. They’re all jock jerks. High male testosterone, low morals (Rigsby forcing Cho to lie for him and the fact that he lied at all in the first place, her first psycho boyfriend who kidnapped Jane in the first season, and her loser wackjob fiance who – aside from being a Judas – gave her shitty advice on what to do about LaRoche’s request for her to spy on her team). I wonder if they’re going to continue setting her up with the same lot they’ve been doing the past 3 seasons in the next season while they keep the Rigsby-Van Pelt love story on the back burner. Her character seems the perfect type to be duped by all sorts of losers. Guys don’t even have to try to impress her. She just goes for anything. Craig buys her chocolate cake to cheer her up and before even letting her have a go at it takes it for himself. You never see her get a single bite and yet she’s completely happy and complacent with his shitty male advice and lack of choco-induced endorphins. Her choice of men speaks volumes to her character, which I don’t see changing anywhere in the near future.

    With Visualize, I’m guessing they have something to do with Red John, and not in a supporting role kind of way but possibly his “birth place,” so to speak (i.e. the people who helped to warp the guy’s already twisted mind, or something like that). I could definitely see Bret Styles grooming several such people like Red John (though I highly doubt there’s going to be a Red John copycat protege. At least, I would be severely disappointed in Heller if there was. Another protege emergence from Visualize, sure, I could go with that, assuming that’s where Red John came from, but an out and out Red John copycat? No).

    I think Casey’s thoughts are interesting. I don’t think Kristina Frye was directing Red John but then again I guess I wouldn’t be surprised if things turned out that way either (seriously doubt that woman’s behind anything). I also don’t think that Red John was acting on anyone else’s orders though I do believe he was a pawn, though a pawn acting of his own free will and desires. I think someone just groomed what was already there and set him loose like opening the cage to a rabid dog. You can’t control it but you pretty much know what’s going to happen once you lift the latch. Only thing is to make sure you open the cage outside your house so he doesn’t go rabid on you.

    Hope season 4 continues to catch my interest. Season 3’s finale gave them a lot of room to work with to make things either mind-blowingly awesome or stomach-churningly awful. Hope it turns out to be the former. 🙂 Honestly though my interest has been dragging due to the lack of strong female characters. Lisbon’s basically Jane’s play toy and front man, Hightower got kicked to the curb and before that happened she had her authority usurped by LaRoche, and let’s face it, Van Pelt was never a player in that area to begin with. I’m no feminazi but, damn. Can’t we get just a little semblance of nontransitory female power going on?

  82. Vikram

     /  August 12, 2011

    What if Patrick is “Red John”? That would be like “Fight Club”!!

  83. i think red john doesnt deceased…he aint red john…

  84. There is certainly more to the storyline than finding Red John and killing him. The problem lies in how Jane gets out of shooting him. My guess is either “Red John” didnt die, if it was really him, or it was all in Jane’s head. I can definitely see “Red John” survivng and being in prison and effing with the CBI and Jane. Sort of like after Jigsaw died in the Saw movies and the “my work will continue” thing

  85. there is stupid

  86. there is a stupid

  87. chaz dilemo

     /  August 15, 2011

    that was the real red john

  88. RJ

     /  August 18, 2011

    i believe that the judge would be one of red johns imposters and he killed the wrong one cus RJ has maany powerful people behind him..and the guy we saw doesnt look all that… i wasnt satisfied when i saw who RJ was.

  89. tom

     /  August 18, 2011

    has anyone addressed the fact that since red john was at the shopping mall, bertram must also have been an informant?? which seems silly that red john would have fallen for 2 tips as to where hightower was. So maybe red john really did play along and had someone else show up as him. But by doing that, he would lose two of his informants in the CBI/FBI (O’leary). speaking of which, has season 4 come out yet? its aug 18th 2011, and i see posts from june where people said that season 4 started then.. i cant find anywhere to watch it online.

  90. @tom No, i dont think so… because at that point, the fiance knew and couldhave told him, also, someone brought up a very good point that the necklace that he gave van pelt could be a listening device…

  91. Season 4 will air on September 22, 2011

  92. Hay, did anyone think that Red John father is Brent Styles of Visulized? It makes sense. Red John boasted he has resorces, and he wore these designer “red” glasses, the same style of designer style glasses that Brent Styles, wore, “except white.” and Styles knew about red john and Kristina frye, and where she was held. And styles left the country in a hurry, not because of the FBI but of his son’s retalation for helping Jane getting Frye back and foiling RJ’s surprise party for jane. Yes, it was RJ that Jane shot. But I bet this is not the last time we see Mr. Styles, and I have a bad feeling, Jane and the team is going to know the red John society a little better for the worst. First thing first, Jane has got to get out of prison, and trial over, and he got to get his job back at CBI. This is going to be a very busy season for all, I cant wait, Keep up the brillent work, look forward to the surprises.

  93. Mythoughts

     /  August 23, 2011

    I think that Jane himself is red John, but is too insane to know, some mental problem

  94. Mythoughts

     /  August 23, 2011

    And maybe that the guy who claims to be red john was a friend of patricks

  95. Red John's Little Princess

     /  August 23, 2011

    I love u all mentalists! Geesh, where do I begin, well I think Jane will utimately through many rabbit holes be found not guilty of the so-called Red John murder (lol). If this happens, ever saw the movie “Double Jeopardy”? If Jane purposely knew that the person in the season finale was not Red John and shot him anyway in attempt to prove his innocense in season 4 potential double jeopardy would enter the picture. If Jane more than likely gets off, then he can freely pursue any Red John wannabe, including the real, not ever be charged for the same crime. What do you think, please keep it coming! (lol)

  96. jane fans

     /  August 24, 2011

    could someone please tell me when the new season will be release ?

  97. A7XLover

     /  August 25, 2011

    I think that the guy that got shot is actually Red John because, if Red John wanted something to be done he would most likely do it himself; so that he could get the pleasure out of it.
    For me it would be better if it actually was the real Red John that got shot, because if Jane goes to prison for life, i want it to be for a reason! I want Jane to get his revenge!
    oh well…im gonna have to wait and see. Cant wait for season 4!!!

  98. Gina Hedrick

     /  August 25, 2011

    I think someone else shot “Red John” and not Jane. There was too much blood on the front of the guy’s shirt to be entrace wounds, they looked more like exit wounds meaning he was shot in the back maybe by….Lisbon???

  99. i hope red john is dead and thats that as it were

    doubt it mind

  100. G.J.B C.H.S.S

     /  August 28, 2011

    i think red john is dead, i wouldn’t doubt pj’s abilities ,it wouldn’t suit his character if it turned out to be the wrong guy.and having a 4th would turn out to be the same as the last 3s. i think in S4 P.J will realize that revenge hasn’t brought him peace and that red john may have planned in the event of his death by jane some more head F**King (maybe in the event that RJ is part of an organised unit ) also in s4 something has to start happening with the cbi’s team in terms of love interests between P.J n Agent Lisbon or v.p and Rigsby. as for P.J role somehow he can not stay in prison there will be some cunning way he can wriggle out and continue working with the cbi,but not quite as it was before.

  101. BC

     /  August 31, 2011

    Find it amusing that so many postings here focus on plot twists, who is who, who did what, etc etc

    In context of who this Show is about – a Carnival Magician Card Trick Hustler – is amazing that Folks are busy watching the ‘Smoke and Mirrors’ instead of the ‘Man Behind the Curtain’ (so to speak)

    But, that’s how Advertisers/Carneys/Politicians/etc are able to stay in business

    Guess some things will never change (smile)


    Now – the real reason for my Posting …

    It does not matter who is who, who did what, who is – or is not – the ‘Real’ Red John, etc etc

    What does ‘matter’ is this …

    The Mentalist, in 3 short years, has given us something rarely seen on TV


    Yes, plain and simple – Mentalist is a Work of Art

    On same level as the Fine Cinema, Literature, etc

    And that they’ve done this on Commercial Network TV ?

    Merely confirms the assertion


    If perhaps you find my assessment a ‘bit much’ ?

    No problem, keep watching the normal TV ‘junk’

    But let’s do give thanks ONE show is worthy of our time and attention


  102. BernardL

     /  September 1, 2011

    For it not to have been the real Red John would be a total FAIL. The season finale was the best on TV because of exactly the way Jane’s final scene went with Red John. They can play around with anything else but leave the bogey-man dead. The Mentalist is terrific without a resident psycho that shows up every few episodes to kill and then vanish… oh barf!

  103. Pettter

     /  September 5, 2011

    I just think it was Red John who got shot by jane but he’ll probably survive and dissapear or something while Jane is sentenced to a life in prison or something simmilar.

  104. Enjoy

     /  September 6, 2011

    Spoiler. Jane did not kill the real RJ. Listen carefully to the conversation. The man’s speech is very deliberate and was a message from the real RJ to Patrick. If Patrick ever wants to meet the real RJ he has do clear RJ’s actions so that he can retire. How could he do this if he was always being hunted- but if the world think hes dead, he can retire and reveal himself to Patrick.
    Once Patrick does meet the real RJ then he can openly kill him (double jeporady)
    Also LaRouche was part of Vizualise- the little tupperware box will reveal all and his current connections with whom they have helped in the ‘great cause’ of RJ

  105. Madame

     /  September 6, 2011

    Hey, guys. I am a teacher of both French and History, so I thought I’d clear up a couple misconceptions that some of you have.
    1) LaRoche means “the rock”, not “the red”. LaRouge/LeRouge/LeRoux/LaRousse/Rousseau are all derivations of “the red” or “red”, but “roche” means “rock”. LaRoche still could be involved with Red John, but not because of the meaning of his name. Sorry!
    2) Double Jeopardy protects people being tried for the EXACT same crime(s). Your crime couldn’t be “murdering the alias Red John,” but if you messed up on who you thought Red John was then you get a freebie to kill a totally different person because you meant to kill the real Red John. If there are two different dead bodies, there are two completely separate crimes – even if both bodies have the same name (“Red John”). Double jeopardy would only work if Patrick Jane kills the exact same person (exact same by body/DNA, not name) again… obviously meaning that he didn’t actually kill him the first time (which is the case with the film “Double Jeopardy”). The man that Patrick just killed is the only Red John he could kill (again?!) after his trial to invoke double jeopardy, because if he kills a different man/woman, he is committing a different crime than the one he was tried for.
    Anyway, hopefully these points help clarify things a little. Still, we have no idea what is going to happen in the upcoming season… which is why this show is so great!

  106. Alyssa

     /  September 10, 2011

    For some reason I think that the real Red John might be Minnelli. I think that due to the fact that somehow Red John knows exactly where to hit Jane to hurt him. Then there is the episode “His red right hand” where three agents are killed and then Bosco later dies. To me this episode showed that Red John knows who Jane works with, and who would know better than Minnelli? And then there is the fact that every time Red John kills, Lisbon’s team is put on it. And think about this for a second, aside from the episode “Red Moon” where the killer was thought to be connected to Red John, after Minnelli left the C.B.I, the team hasn’t been on any Red John cases. It’s like the killer left at the same time that the old boss did.

  107. vitaliy

     /  September 14, 2011

    Интересно было бы увидеть Джейна в тюрьме, желательно в Русской 🙂

  108. happygirrl

     /  September 15, 2011

    Yes secrets can be shared so the man could be fake – but that poses a much bigger question. Why push a man to the point where he might kill you if you didn’t do it? Unless the ‘fake’ man was suicidal there is no reason for him to pose as Red John. So that would be a very weak storyline in my mind.

  109. Hal

     /  September 16, 2011

    I think Jane did kill the man who killed his family, but not the top of food chain Red John cult leader (who I think is Stiles).

    Think of all the people throughout the series who were willing to die for Red John. They were all fanatical and cult-like.

    Also, why was Hightower framed and not someone else?

    I’m guessing payback for when she shot down Stiles in front of Jane in her office and Stiles applauded them for their brief victory.

    Also, how did Red John end up in the shopping mall sitting 2 tables over from Jane if Craig was the only inside man? Neither Craig nor Grace had any idea Jane was taking the Director (who also recited the Blake’s poem in an earlier episode) to the mall.

    Finally, wasn’t the bald guy pointing a gun on Jane at the end of the finale, the same guy who appeared in the background at some of the other Red John murder scenes?

    In any case, this has to be the best written show on television. 🙂

  110. Maggi

     /  September 18, 2011

    I would also be so pissed if they make it not the real Red John, it would would make fun of Janes skills. It really would be ridiculous, besides, Jane’s not the aggressive type and if it turns out that he klilled an innocent man, he actually would be desperatly break to pieces. maybe not this bad but u know…

    i hope they make it the real red john but maybe there pop up some of red john string puppets trying to revenge his dead, that would be stunning.

    and yes, it’s the best written show on television :))

  111. it was a great series final can not wait till series 4 patrick jane character in the show is very good

  112. jj olla

     /  September 20, 2011

    my crystal ball says:

    1. the guy Jane killed had a gun, and it will be argued Jane was acting in self defense

    2. we will think the man shot was Red John … until episode 7-or-so when Red John resurfaces

  113. Hassy

     /  September 20, 2011

    Doesn’t someone take red John’s gun, so it can’t be self defense? So someone red John knew must have been in the mall!

  114. jj olla

     /  September 22, 2011

    maybe “red john” is more than one person – Jane killed one of the many people making up a “team”

  115. lebanon

     /  October 14, 2011

    i dont think that jane killed the real red john, and la roche’s figure does not fit with that of red john although he is a connection but there was the episode when bosco was killed by rebecca his secretary and when they caught her and took her to jail someone posened her and that was red john himself i think because she had that look on her face as if in love or seen her love that is suspicious because he was walking in a very private area of cbi and no one thought he was an outsider or reacted o n it . so i think rj will tur out to be a police officer or a cbi member all along

  116. psychodrama

     /  October 18, 2011

    redjohn is janes father hahahah

  117. Noel

     /  November 6, 2011

    In no language does rouche mean red. Roche means Rock.
    La Roche is a popular word meaning The Rock.
    Patrick is red john.

    How many episodes has he said the most likely perpetrator is the spouse.

  118. Ralph

     /  November 17, 2011

    There are things to think about … 1)- Was the necklace the FBI guy gave to Van Pelt a voice transmitter or a tracking device ? Special attention was taken by the cameras to show the necklace repeatedly . Must be significant . 2)- LaRoach knows Blake poems , & the director recites them . 3)- LaRoach says ( after shooting the gas station guy ), ” He was going for his gun ” The guy would have been searched , so it had to be that he got out of the cuffs & was reaching for the driver’s gun . LaRoach was the passanger . 4)- The Fry woman knew all about Jane’s past , so why would she risk herself on TV taking about Red John ? Also , how was she abducted from the 2nd story of ththat house ? Did she go voluntarily , or is she RJ ? 5)- We still do not know why RJ wanted the receipt things from the cash place , or what hold RJ had on the gas station guy to make him blow up folks ? 6)- The blind lady would have felt RJ’s face well enough to give a scetch artist a description , & have known he was older . 7)- Not meaning to seem perverse , but I think Laroach has had a sex change operation . I think the thing in the tupperware case , in the safe , is LaRoach’s missing sex member . Laroach says PJ is a fasinating man , after being black mailed by PJ . 8)- I think the coroner took his overdose out of PJ’s sight , & PJ knew & choose to keep him company while he was dying . Sorry to be so long winded . Thanks !!!

  119. Detective

     /  November 25, 2011

    I’m a bit late, but:

    1- The hitman sent to the hotel… how does she know what room was told to the director if that was to lay a false trail?

    2- how did RJ end up at that café?

    2 moles?

    Obviously, RJ wanted it to end this way.

    I’m not totally sold on the killed guy being RJ, but a mistake would seriously damage PJ’s prestige in the series. Can’t see that happening, so I rather think that they will discover RJ committed suicide by PJ’s proxy, maybe because he was terminally ill (cancer?) and wanted to fuck with PJ’s mind a last time by making him commit the murder.

    And then I think the RJ thing is not over.

    I don’t know how they will spin it, but either RJ was just a puppet of someone more evil and powerful, or someone will take up RJ’s legacy (did he have children?)

  120. lebanon

     /  December 13, 2011

    I refuse to think of patrik jane as rj although rj is as cunning as patrik but it is a matter of defeating one another also there is the matter with the blind girlfriend who didn’t seem to recognise patrik as rj. but rj could be a relative or someone partik grew up with and thus having the same thinking and mental awareness ……

  121. jack

     /  December 27, 2011


  122. Odette

     /  January 10, 2012

    Not a bad 3rd season. I must admit though I jm alittle disappointed. I’ve found the program becoming more and more disjointed, haphazouredly put together. Character interaction and growth if sporadic, and I mean this in a constructive way. The whole concept of thd Mentalist is brilliant, but because there isn’t good flow and growth between the characters personalities and their interactions with each other I cannot see how the series will last much longer. With such a competitive market I think the writers and the creator should re-evaluate and look at what has kept the most successful series out there going. A good example is NCIS. I really hope they do. The most important attraction to any series, is not, as in this case crime solving, but the individule growth of the characters and their interactions with each other from one episode to the next!

  123. Sara

     /  March 3, 2012

    Red John is Jane’s Father! He taught Jane how to be as good as he is at reading people, and he was bitter when Jane stopped doing the circus shows with him, he was angry that Jane found success without him. I think he hypnotises his victims into the things they do. He trained the phycic lady to be as good an Jane….she is another one of his accomplices! Its so obvious! And the guy shot in the mall was not the real Red John.
    The show would be over! Think about how Monk ended…the last episode is when we will find out.
    Great show, I love it

  124. Lucia

     /  April 15, 2012

    I think Red John is agent Lisbon,that’s as simple as it gets.

  125. maria

     /  April 22, 2012

    I got shocked when I saw comment number 124 from Lucia. It never passed through my mind that Lisbon cold possibly be Red John!
    I don”t think she is but maybe…They look so cute toghether that I can’t imagine that.
    If it turns to be lik that that means red john is more clever.
    I love this Tv serie

  126. m-w

     /  June 16, 2012

    before you read this you should know that i only know till Season 3 Ep 4;
    My Theory About Kristina Frey:
    she is being taking care of in some kind of psychiatric facility (for the time being);
    and the notorious Red John is actually just like J.Patric and Kristina;
    which means he ‘s a super clever (psychic) character ;
    While she was Hostage he was doing all kind of hallucinations and mind manipulation on her
    as for her solution and Red John location
    i believe it’s in the riddle Tiger tiger burning bright, in the forest of the night …)

  127. m-w

     /  June 16, 2012

    Red John is an Agent = TRUE;
    Red John is someone who loves Jane or Jane loves him i.e (Lisbon,Kristina,…) = False;

  128. Neil

     /  October 8, 2012

    Patrick Jane is Red John! He is very clever and the writer wants to throw us for a loop. Serious ladies havent you seen enough life time movies to know this is where this is going.

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